{"id":31,"date":"2003-12-11T08:05:15","date_gmt":"2003-12-11T12:05:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scruss.com\/blog\/?p=31"},"modified":"2025-04-12T14:29:56","modified_gmt":"2025-04-12T18:29:56","slug":"windsave-all-betz-are-off","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scruss.com\/blog\/2003\/12\/11\/windsave-all-betz-are-off\/","title":{"rendered":"WindSave: All Betz Are Off!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><em><strong>Update, May 2005<\/strong>: While it&#8217;s true that <a href=\"http:\/\/scruss.com\/blog\/?p=236\">WindSave appear to have made their device obey the laws of physics<\/a> (at least according to their published spec), I&#8217;m keeping this posting intact.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the data on their website are to be believed, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.windsave.com\/\">WindSave cannot generate the figures they claim<\/a>. There&#8217;s much geeky theory involved, but basically, they&#8217;re claiming efficiencies that cannot be attained.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In short, they are claiming coefficients of performance of 0.724 and 0.887 for their turbines. Unfortunately, the theoretical maximum efficiency for a wind turbine \u2014 the Betz limit \u2014 is 0.593. So something, somewhere, is screwy. I\u2019m pretty sure it\u2019s not my sums, as they\u2019ve been verified by an external source.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I worry that the UK energy minister, Brian Wilson, has been taken in by this. Five minutes with a calculator and a wind energy primer shows that these things are too good to be true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>Wind Turbine Power is given by:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>P = \u00bd \u03c1 A C<sub>p<\/sub> v<sup>3<\/sup> N<sub>g<\/sub> N<sub>b<\/sub><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>where:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table class=\"has-fixed-layout\"><tbody><tr><td>\u03c1<\/td><td>air density (~ 1.225 kg\/m<sup>3<\/sup> at sea level)<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>A<\/td><td>rotor swept area, m<sup>2<\/sup><\/td><\/tr><tr><td>C<sub>p<\/sub><\/td><td>Coefficient of performance<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>v<\/td><td>wind speed, ms<sup>-1<\/sup><\/td><\/tr><tr><td>N<sub>g<\/sub><\/td><td>generator efficiency<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>N<sub>b<\/sub><\/td><td>gearbox\/bearing efficiency<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>(from the American Wind Energy Association&#8217;s wind power FAQ, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.awea.org\/faq\/windpower.html\">http:\/\/www.awea.org\/faq\/windpower.html<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rearranging this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>C<sub>p<\/sub> = P \/ ( \u00bd \u03c1 A v<sup>3<\/sup> N<sub>g<\/sub> N<sub>b<\/sub> )<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>If we assume perfect gearbox and generator efficiency (N<sub>g<\/sub> = N<sub>b<\/sub> = 1):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>C<sub>p<\/sub> = P \/ ( \u00bd \u03c1 A v<sup>3<\/sup> )<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Since A = \u03c0 d<sup>2<\/sup>\/4, where d is the rotor diameter in metres:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>C<sub>p<\/sub> = P \/ ( \u00bd \u03c1 \u03c0 ( d<sup>2<\/sup>\/4 ) v<sup>3<\/sup> )<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Plugging in the numbers:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>C<sub>p<\/sub> = P \/ ( 0.48106 d<sup>2<\/sup> v<sup>3<\/sup> )<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.windsave.com\/\">WindSave<\/a>&#8216;s website gives the following performance figures for its machines, both at 25mph (12.07ms<sup>-1<\/sup>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>1m diameter, 750W<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1.4m diameter, 1200W<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>which gives for the 750W machine:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>C<sub>p<\/sub> = 750 \/ ( 0.48106 \u00d7 1<sup>2<\/sup> \u00d7 12.07<sup>3<\/sup> ) = 0.887<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>and the 1.4m diameter machine:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>C<sub>p<\/sub> = 1200 \/ ( 0.48106 \u00d7 1.4<sup>2<\/sup> \u00d7 12.07<sup>3<\/sup> ) = 0.724<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Betz&#8217;s Law, a proof of which is given on the Danish Wind Energy Association&#8217;s site, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.windpower.org\/en\/stat\/betzpro.htm\">http:\/\/www.windpower.org\/en\/stat\/betzpro.htm<\/a>, states that the maximum C<sub>p<\/sub> is 16\/27, or 0.593<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There&#8217;s also the small problem of turbulence. No renewable energy practitioner recommends putting a wind turbine on a roof, as the turbulence from structures causes the machine to run rough, increasing wear and noise. Plus you will very seldom, if ever, see the rated wind speed of 12ms<sup>-1<\/sup> on a domestic rooftop.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Update, May 2005: While it&#8217;s true that WindSave appear to have made their device obey the laws of physics (at least according to their published spec), I&#8217;m keeping this posting intact. If the data on their website are to be believed, WindSave cannot generate the figures they claim. 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